New rule—you can’t call yourself a Centrist till you’re known as a Nazi by both the Right and the Left

I call it the Horseshoe Theory of Godwin’s Law

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In the U.S., if you’re of a certain age, I define you as centrist if you voted for Ronald Reagan at least once and Bill Clinton at least once. Each won an election by a large margin, meaning they attracted the center.

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No point indeed. While I genuinely admire your insistence on continuing to engage with these people I am wondering what you hope to achieve other than to shine a light on their wilful ignorance. If so, is it worth it? Given people like Tim Pool are increasingly pandering to a siloed community within America who’s trust in their own nation has been so fractured as to be now tipping into outright clinical paranoia, pointing out a counter argument merely enrages them further.

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Sometimes I think it’s good to take a couple steps back and reflect

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No it’s not worth it. I wouldn’t have engaged him if it weren’t for the fact that he tagged Quillette in a tweet about how we were either idiots or assholes because he had been “vindicated” by his concentration camp nonsense.

I shouldn’t have taken the bait! I don’t think I will again in the future.

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I voted for Perot. That needs to be included as centrism.

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This should be a principle for many of us, much of the time. But not always. And how we do we draw the line? When is our response intenesd to represent a new argument against some challenge. Or when is our response, late to the fight, just piling in, and showing off our convictions?

For all of us who respond in these spaces, it’s often a challenge. Egotists that we are, we believe we should share wisdom. Often, it is best to walk away.

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If the screenshot you’ve shared above is all you responded with, then I think you did a good enough job of showing why this is a special case with extenuating circumstances. Very brief and to the point.

It’s well and good to turn the other cheek but otoh you can’t just let people call you a nazi. It’s a tough situation. You stuck to the facts and have let people decide for themselves what is and isnt nazi behavior rather than get suckered into hitting back. I think you’ve done fine if this is all it was.

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Or iconoclast-ism.

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It would be interesting to see a psychological study done on figures like Dave Rubin, James Lindsey and Tim Pool. They start off as disaffected liberals, develop into aggrieved contrarians, then emerge as full-fledged (and fairly deranged) culture warriors. I’m sorry to say that Glenn Greenwald and the great Matt Taibbi seem to be on the same path.

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Back in the old days, the rightie fundamentalists routinely called me a commie-socialist whereas the woke know me for a Nazi who literally kills them. I don’t understand how wokies who I’ve literally killed can keep talking but they can. As for TFM fundamentalists, advocating for even 1% of the GNP to be in the public domain makes you a commie, so thereyago.

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Staying sane gets harder every day. Last night I almost threw something at the TV. You could see the barely suppressed conniption fit brewing behind the eyes of all talking heads when the Arbery verdict was announced. How DARE a ‘virtually all white jury’ presume to deliver justice to a Black Body? The script had already been written and then these Virtually All White folks ruin everything. Talking heads salvaged the situation as best they could tho by rehearsing how long it took for charges to be laid and how, absent the video, probably whitey would have gotten away with it (which is probably true). Nope, the exception just proves the rule: whitey is incapable of delivering justice to Black Bodies, and don’t let this verdict fool you into thinking otherwise.

They are determined to start a race war and they just might succeed.

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FWIW, Perot was the keynote speaker at a conference I attended many years ago. Not sure of the year, but a few years prior to his presidential run. 1989 or 1990 maybe?

Anyway, he was extremely good - a very warm man, and a great speaker. He had penetrating insight into people and how to get them to be the best they can be. It was clear he loved his employees and treated them well. No notes, no teleprompters, but his talk never wavered or wandered. Extremely focused. I’m not surprised he did as well in business as he did.

He didn’t stand a chance in the election - he wasn’t tall, wasn’t good looking, and had kind of a nasally voice - the opposite of what works on TV. And given the structure of U.S. politics, third-party candidates are always, at best, spoilers.

In a perfect world I could have voted for him, but to me that’s a wasted vote. I use my vote to vote “against” candidates I don’t like. I think the only politician I’ve ever voted for who I did like was Ronald Reagan.

Regarding politics, Perot was definitely a centrist.

They might succeed in getting it going but it will end poorly for them. As Glenn Loury has mentioned on a couple of his podcasts, they are sorely undermanned for the effort.

It’s highly debatable of course, but I always vote my conscience, never ‘strategically’. The latter simply traps us in the same old same old. Yes Biden is better than Trump – Biden being, as Kurt says, at least corrupt and incompetent within normal parameters vs. being an outright criminal like the other. But neither is satisfactory and what is needed is a breakout from the establishment duopoly. The guy I voted for got about 5% of the vote, but he got less than 1% previously and, if people vote for what they want, rather than the least worst of the main parties, maybe he’ll do even better next time. At the very least it sends a message.

I do wonder who expects to benefit. Dunno, maybe Muggeridge was right and it’s a suicide pact and nobody is expected to benefit except by being dead.

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Less than ten years ago I’d have thought this a tad hyperbolic. Looking forward now I can’t see how America doesn’t become a balkanized state.

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My general rule is that anyone who calls someone else a Nazi or invokes comparisons to Nazis in the context of a discussion on contemporary issues is more or less insane, and should be treated as such.

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Hyperbole has it’s place as an attention grabber but it’s sad when it becomes literal truth. But nothing to terrible has happened since the summer of '20 so maybe things will settle down in spite of the media’s efforts to whip things up. More good news from Wisconsin it seems Islam had absolutely nothing to do with that massacre. Suspicions were forgivable given that jihadis consider mass murder via vehicle quite Islamic, but it’s good that that’s not what happened.

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With the midterm elections next year will be interesting as an outsider to see how the US media try to whip up tribal affiliations.

BTW you only get to use the Radical Islam card when the car explodes

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Unfortunately not. There have been several mowings down. Remember that one in Nice France? One or two in London IIRC and those are just the ones that come to mind.

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